Comments on: Career Women of the Bible: Apostles and Prophets http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/ Writer, Storyteller, Theologian, City Girl Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:36:57 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: shawna http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-18977 shawna Fri, 22 Jun 2007 21:55:50 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-18977 Thank you for comments Alicia and for letting me know you stopped by. Thank you for comments Alicia and for letting me know you stopped by.

]]> By: Prophetess Alicia Kee http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-18956 Prophetess Alicia Kee Fri, 22 Jun 2007 17:45:11 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-18956 I think that this is a great topic that should be discussed. Just as the apostle Paul indicated that God chose the base things of the world to confound the wise or the so called "prudent." I believe that when those who are called (male or female, Jew or Greek, bond or fee) rise up in the demonstration of God's power, it will eradicate and overthrow the inerrant philosophies those that think they are wise. But again we do not move or reprove the Scriptures based on man's wisdom but through the power, so that people's faith can rest not in man's wisdom but in the wisdom of God. I am so glad that you are standing for what you know to be the truth and the Law of Liberty for all mankind! For those who have a question about Jesus' decision to choose only men don't understand the difference between the Law and Faith in Christ. Jesus chose only men because He had not fulfilled the requirements of the Law yet. It was only until the veil (which is His flesh) was torn and ripped that all and I do mean all could come boldly to the throne of grace. Therefore because He had not fulfilled the Law until then, He subjected Himself to the obedience of the Law until it was satisfied by His atonement. How can anyone fulfill the Law if He does not yet subject himself to its very rules and regulations. However, we are living in the Davidic age that says all are welcome to come and offer up to God the sacrifice of Praise. It is funny how the enemy makes a big deal about women serving in the Temple, but he never seems to stir up strife about the Greek or the slave. Neither of these were able to serve as well until Christ broke the wall of partition that kept them out. Now what reamins the problem is the fact that we will not allow the spirit of God to pour into us fresh wine because we like the old better! Needless to say, we have to continually remind those that in the spirit their is no gender! That's why Christ indicated that in heaven there will be no giving away in marriage in the Resurrection. Lord Please let us be transformed into a resurrected mentality so that the dead can bury the dead and the war can cease. Again, as I close we are no longer under fleshly ordinances (for those were only a shadow until the real comes)Hebrews 9. You have to ask yourself this question: Which is more real, the natural which is temporal or the sirit which is eternal? We must learn the difference between the natural order of things and the spiritual entity of the the corporate body of Christ. It is time for a reformation(change or renewing of mind). Unfortunately, changing mindsets can be painful because people take pride in the way that they think; rather than allowing the mind of the spirit of christ to formed in them. Those who try to receive this new wine wihtout putting on a new wineskine will have many outbursts of wrath. They must be willing to take on a new mindset. So instead of humbling themselves, the remain prideful. These people will not go to hell persay but they will never know the fullness and abundance that this new order can bring. As for me, I refuse to walk in any one els's shadow(Meaning the Law). Grace and Peace, Prophetess Alicia Kee Hadassah Ministries Charlotte, NC I think that this is a great topic that should be discussed. Just as the apostle Paul indicated that God chose the base things of the world to confound the wise or the so called “prudent.” I believe that when those who are called (male or female, Jew or Greek, bond or fee) rise up in the demonstration of God’s power, it will eradicate and overthrow the inerrant philosophies those that think they are wise. But again we do not move or reprove the Scriptures based on man’s wisdom but through the power, so that people’s faith can rest not in man’s wisdom but in the wisdom of God.

I am so glad that you are standing for what you know to be the truth and the Law of Liberty for all mankind! For those who have a question about Jesus’ decision to choose only men don’t understand the difference between the Law and Faith in Christ. Jesus chose only men because He had not fulfilled the requirements of the Law yet. It was only until the veil (which is His flesh) was torn and ripped that all and I do mean all could come boldly to the throne of grace. Therefore because He had not fulfilled the Law until then, He subjected Himself to the obedience of the Law until it was satisfied by His atonement. How can anyone fulfill the Law if He does not yet subject himself to its very rules and regulations.

However, we are living in the Davidic age that says all are welcome to come and offer up to God the sacrifice of Praise. It is funny how the enemy makes a big deal about women serving in the Temple, but he never seems to stir up strife about the Greek or the slave. Neither of these were able to serve as well until Christ broke the wall of partition that kept them out. Now what reamins the problem is the fact that we will not allow the spirit of God to pour into us fresh wine because we like the old better! Needless to say, we have to continually remind those that in the spirit their is no gender! That’s why Christ indicated that in heaven there will be no giving away in marriage in the Resurrection. Lord Please let us be transformed into a resurrected mentality so that the dead can bury the dead and the war can cease. Again, as I close we are no longer under fleshly ordinances (for those were only a shadow until the real comes)Hebrews 9. You have to ask yourself this question: Which is more real, the natural which is temporal or the sirit which is eternal? We must learn the difference between the natural order of things and the spiritual entity of the the corporate body of Christ. It is time for a reformation(change or renewing of mind). Unfortunately, changing mindsets can be painful because people take pride in the way that they think; rather than allowing the mind of the spirit of christ to formed in them. Those who try to receive this new wine wihtout putting on a new wineskine will have many outbursts of wrath. They must be willing to take on a new mindset. So instead of humbling themselves, the remain prideful. These people will not go to hell persay but they will never know the fullness and abundance that this new order can bring. As for me, I refuse to walk in any one els’s shadow(Meaning the Law).

Grace and Peace,
Prophetess Alicia Kee
Hadassah Ministries
Charlotte, NC

]]> By: Dr. BP http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-18194 Dr. BP Mon, 11 Jun 2007 19:33:53 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-18194 I Believe in ordination of Women. Thank you for your insight. I Believe in ordination of Women. Thank you
for your insight.

]]> By: Shawna R. B. Atteberry » Career Women of the Bible: Church Overseers, Ministers, and Patrons http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-16630 Shawna R. B. Atteberry » Career Women of the Bible: Church Overseers, Ministers, and Patrons Tue, 29 May 2007 22:05:00 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-16630 [...] articles we have been looking at women who ministered in leadership positions in the New Testament (Apostles and Prophets and Teachers, Elders, and Coworkers). We saw women minister as prophets, apostles, teachers, [...] [...] articles we have been looking at women who ministered in leadership positions in the New Testament (Apostles and Prophets and Teachers, Elders, and Coworkers). We saw women minister as prophets, apostles, teachers, [...]

]]> By: Shawna R. B. Atteberry » Career Women of the Bible: Teachers, Elders, and Coworkers http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-14424 Shawna R. B. Atteberry » Career Women of the Bible: Teachers, Elders, and Coworkers Tue, 01 May 2007 22:08:56 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-14424 [...] describe women in these places of leadership within the Early Church. In the last essay we looked female apostles and prophets. Now we will look at the female teachers in the New [...] [...] describe women in these places of leadership within the Early Church. In the last essay we looked female apostles and prophets. Now we will look at the female teachers in the New [...]

]]> By: Matthew http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-12427 Matthew Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:56:07 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-12427 As I said, the arguments in favor of women's ordination are very often more convincing than those in opposition... As I said, the arguments in favor of women’s ordination are very often more convincing than those in opposition…

]]> By: shawna http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-12417 shawna Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:23:28 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-12417 I am an ordained minister in my denomination, so I don't take ordination as lightly as my last comment made it sound like. But I do see it as, at least a church-made thing, something they had to do to train and hold pastors accountable, which I think is great. In fact, we should have more support and accountability as pastors in my denomination. As far as the twelve disciples being men, for me it's a case of semantics. All 12 were also Jewish and yet we ordain Gentiles. Given the women leaders in the New Testament--particularly Phoebe in Romans 16, whom Paul calls a servant using the same Greek word he uses when he calls Timothy and Titus (a Gentile) pastors, I don't think the 12 disciples can be the be all end all of ordination requirements. I am an ordained minister in my denomination, so I don’t take ordination as lightly as my last comment made it sound like. But I do see it as, at least a church-made thing, something they had to do to train and hold pastors accountable, which I think is great. In fact, we should have more support and accountability as pastors in my denomination.

As far as the twelve disciples being men, for me it’s a case of semantics. All 12 were also Jewish and yet we ordain Gentiles. Given the women leaders in the New Testament–particularly Phoebe in Romans 16, whom Paul calls a servant using the same Greek word he uses when he calls Timothy and Titus (a Gentile) pastors, I don’t think the 12 disciples can be the be all end all of ordination requirements.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-11940 Matthew Fri, 06 Apr 2007 22:47:37 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-11940 I think the arguments in favor of women's ordination are more convincing than those in opposition, but, at bottom, the Catholic and Orthodox churches (for whom I tend to trust much more than Protestant churches) do not base their stance on any argument. Women are not ordained because Jesus chose twelve men to be his apostles. There were, of course, women leaders, as you make clear. But the twelve were men. Why? We don't know. Maybe it was because he was adamant that the apostles could only be men, or maybe it was because it made travel easier, or maybe there was a sale on male tunics. We don't know. Because of that, we don't know the importance of his decision. Thus, we also don't know if it was arbitrary. But, just in case Jesus chose all men for an important reason, the Catholic and Orthodox churches only ordain men. This may seem silly, but that is what it boils down to. And because of this Pope John Paul II made it clear that the Roman Catholic Church does not have the authority to ordain women. I think it is important to keep in mind that it is not based on any arguments concerning whether or not women would make good clergy, etc. And that not all those who are opposed to the ordination of women do so because they are being reactionary. I don't find that because "ordination is a man-made thing" that it is ultimately dispensible or changeable. It is one of the sacraments. I think the arguments in favor of women’s ordination are more convincing than those in opposition, but, at bottom, the Catholic and Orthodox churches (for whom I tend to trust much more than Protestant churches) do not base their stance on any argument. Women are not ordained because Jesus chose twelve men to be his apostles. There were, of course, women leaders, as you make clear. But the twelve were men. Why? We don’t know. Maybe it was because he was adamant that the apostles could only be men, or maybe it was because it made travel easier, or maybe there was a sale on male tunics. We don’t know. Because of that, we don’t know the importance of his decision. Thus, we also don’t know if it was arbitrary. But, just in case Jesus chose all men for an important reason, the Catholic and Orthodox churches only ordain men.

This may seem silly, but that is what it boils down to. And because of this Pope John Paul II made it clear that the Roman Catholic Church does not have the authority to ordain women.

I think it is important to keep in mind that it is not based on any arguments concerning whether or not women would make good clergy, etc. And that not all those who are opposed to the ordination of women do so because they are being reactionary.

I don’t find that because “ordination is a man-made thing” that it is ultimately dispensible or changeable. It is one of the sacraments.

]]> By: shawna http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-11930 shawna Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:18:05 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-11930 Matthew, I don't know. I think the biblical evidence is pretty clear that God calls women to be leaders. We have Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament and Mary Magdalene, Priscilla, and Junia in the New Testament. And that Jesus trusted women to proclaim his resurrection, when they couldn't be legal witnesses, is the proverbial cherry on the sundae for me. Ordination is the man-made thing, and I do think we need a process of training and anointing leaders, but in the New Testament the process was the Holy Spirit called you then the church anointed you and you were "ordained" for ministry. If that, in Acts Paul would just appoint a couple of recent converts to oversee the house churches before he moved on to the next town. Matthew, I don’t know. I think the biblical evidence is pretty clear that God calls women to be leaders. We have Miriam, Deborah, and Huldah in the Old Testament and Mary Magdalene, Priscilla, and Junia in the New Testament. And that Jesus trusted women to proclaim his resurrection, when they couldn’t be legal witnesses, is the proverbial cherry on the sundae for me.

Ordination is the man-made thing, and I do think we need a process of training and anointing leaders, but in the New Testament the process was the Holy Spirit called you then the church anointed you and you were “ordained” for ministry. If that, in Acts Paul would just appoint a couple of recent converts to oversee the house churches before he moved on to the next town.

]]> By: Matthew http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-11892 Matthew Fri, 06 Apr 2007 15:02:19 +0000 http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/04/04/career-women-of-the-bible-apostles-and-prophets/#comment-11892 I'm undecided on the issue of the ordination of women, but I was once asked a question concerning the ordination of women that I feel is an important one for those in favor of it to ask themselves. What would God have had to do in history to make it clear that women should not be ordained? I’m undecided on the issue of the ordination of women, but I was once asked a question concerning the ordination of women that I feel is an important one for those in favor of it to ask themselves.

What would God have had to do in history to make it clear that women should not be ordained?

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