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		<title>Bishop-Abbess and Homemaker: St. Brigid of Kildare</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[February 1 is the feast day of St. Brigid. Brigid is one of my favorite saints. I think the main reason is because we can&#8217;t separate history from legend when it comes to her story. She&#8217;s part woman, part saint, and part goddess. Throw in a few miracles and Brigid going back and forth through <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2012/02/01/brigid-of-kildare/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2012/02/01/brigid-of-kildare/">Bishop-Abbess and Homemaker: St. Brigid of Kildare</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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<p>February 1 is the feast day of St. Brigid. Brigid is one of my favorite saints. I think the main reason is because we can&#8217;t separate history from legend when it comes to her story. She&#8217;s part woman, part saint, and part goddess. Throw in a few miracles and Brigid going back and forth through time to be Mary&#8217;s midwife and the foster-mother of Christ, himself, and you just have one good story (and I love a good story).</p>
<p>What we do know about Brigid: she created the first monastic community that grew into the most renowned monastic city in Ireland, Kildare. Brigid was the abbess of the convent and church and the leader of the town that grew up around Kildare. She was known for her piety, her hard work, and her hospitality. She worked side by side with her nuns tending sheep and milking cows, along with weaving and cooking. Gifts given to the monastery by the rich were given to the poor or sold for food. No one was turned away from her convent, and she provided for all. One of the legends say that Brigid could speak to a cow and get her to give milk three times a day when she needed it for visitors. Here is a table grace attributed to Brigid:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I should like a great lake of finest ale<br />
For the King of kings.<br />
I should like a table of the choicest food<br />
For the family of heaven.<br />
Let the ale be made from the fruits of faith,<br />
And the food be forgiving love.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">I should welcome the poor to my feast,<br />
For they are God&#8217;s children.<br />
I should welcome the sick to my feast,<br />
For they are God&#8217;s joy.<br />
Let the poor sit with Jesus at the highest place,<br />
And the sick dance with the angels.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">God bless the poor,<br />
God bless the sick,<br />
And bless our human race.<br />
God bless our food,<br />
God bless our drink,<br />
All homes, O God embrace.</p>
<p>Kildare grew so big that Brigid could no longer run it alone. A local bishop, Cloneth came to the monastery to help her and he brought monks with him. The monks were master silver and bronze smiths who created beautiful silver and metal ornaments to go with the nuns&#8217; woven and embroidered tapestries throughout the monastery and church. One of her biographers, a monk who lived at Kildare during Brigid&#8217;s life, said this about the monastery and town:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">But who could convey in words the supreme beauty of her church and the countless wonders of her city, of which we speak? &#8220;City&#8221; is the right word for it: that so many people are living there justifies the title. It is a great metropolis, within whose outskirts&#8211;which Saint Brigid marked out with a clearly defined boundary&#8211;no earthly adversary feared, nor any incursion of enemies. For the city is the safest place of refuge among all towns of the whole land of the Irish, with all their fugitives. It is a place where the treasures of kings are looked after, and it is reckoned to be supreme in good order.</p>
<p>Cogitosus also hinted in his biography that Brigid functioned as a bishop preaching, hearing confession, and ordaining priests. The lines between laity and clergy, and the roles between men and women, were not as fixed in Ireland as they were in other places in Europe. It is possible that abbesses as powerful and influential as Brigid did function as bishops (this would quickly change once the Roman Catholic church gained a foothold in Ireland).</p>
<div id="attachment_1290" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 210px"><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Roses-Kildare.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-1290" title="Roses Kildare" src="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/Roses-Kildare-200x300.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="300" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Roses Kildare Ireland by hugh.carlow/Flickr</p></div>
<p>Now to the fun stuff. As I mentioned before, the Celtic tradition honors Brigid as Mary&#8217;s midwife, Jesus&#8217; wet nurse, and his foster-mother. &#8220;Time&#8221; was not a fixed, linear progression for the Celtic people. The material world and spiritual world intertwined in and out of each other. There were thin places were one could cross from one world to another with time running differently. This is why the legend of Brigid at the birth of Jesus was not a big deal for the Celts. The material and spiritual were not separate worlds in their thought. I also like this legend because, being the post-modern that I am, I like the idea of putting yourself into the story. Where am I in the grand story of God&#8217;s people? How is this story, my story? How is my story now becoming a part of the whole story? Brigid went on to become the spiritual mid-wife to Celtic women giving birth, and the midwife called Brigid into the house to assist in the birth.</p>
<p>Back before the stories of Brigid helping Mary and hanging her cloak on a sunbeam to dry out, Brigid was a goddess in the Celtic pantheon. She was the goddess of poets, blacksmiths, and healers. She was a triple goddess revealing herself as maiden, mother, and crone. The fair maiden to poets, the mother creating new life to blacksmiths, and the old wise woman who knows how to heal. She has long been the symbol of spring coming to the land and the arrival of more light during this time of the year. February 1 is her day, and she was called on to protect the sheep who at this time would be carrying lambs. In the Christian tradition she is remembered for being able to coax cows into milking, and for being able to churn butter for everyone who needed it.</p>
<p>Milking cows and churning butter brings us back into the everyday realm. There is a strong domestic atmosphere in the stories of St. Brigid. Brigid&#8217;s life revolves around the home: giving away food to the poor, churning butter to feed all those who lived in the area, sweeping the floor, sewing, and herding both cattle and sheep. She kept her monastery in good order for visitors. Her love for domesticity naturally led to her generous hospitality. There was always food, clothing, and a bed in her house for those who needed it. Like so many women, Brigid wanted a well-run house where her family (her nuns) would have a nice home, and those who visited would find refuge. I am surprised at how domestic I&#8217;ve become in the last few years. I&#8217;ve realized I&#8217;m becoming more like Brigid. I want a clean, orderly house that can be a home and refuge for my husband and I. I also want to extend hospitality to our friends and give them a place to come eat, drink, and be merry. I want them to find a refuge for awhile, rest and have fun while they are under our roof.</p>
<p>As the light comes back this spring, let us remember Brigid: a woman committed to her Godde, to helping the poor, and to taking care of all who came to her. She established a community that became a light to all who wanted to come pray, learn, work, or needed shelter and food. She believed that everyone was part of the kingdom of Godde, and for that reason alone should be treated with respect and cared for. Everyone should have a home they can come to. There is room at the table for all. There is enough food to go around. And if not, Brigid will be seen whispering in the ears of her milk cows.</p>
<p>A Collect for the Feast of St. Brigid:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">Everliving God, we rejoice today in the witness of your servant Brigid of Kildare, who served as courageous leader and mentor, faithfully shepherding both men and women in her monastery and guiding them into holiness of life: Inspire us with life and light, and give us perseverance to serve you in our own day. This we ask in the name of the Holy and Undivided Trinity, one God, in glory everlasting. Amen. (From <a href="http://osh.org/breviary.html"><em>The Saint Helena Breviary, Personal Edition</em></a>, 281).</p>
<p>Here are two other wonderful posts about Brigid:</p>
<p><a href="http://paintedprayerbook.com/2009/01/31/a-habit-of-the-wildest-bounty-the-feast-of-st-brigid/">A Habit of Wildest Bounty: Feast of St. Brigid</a> at Jan Richardson&#8217;s <a href="http://paintedprayerbook.com">The Painted Prayerbook</a>.<br />
<a href="http://thevirtualabbey.blogspot.com/2010/01/celtic-prayer-brigid-comrade-woman.html">Celtic Prayer: Brigid, Comrade-Woman</a> by Elizabeth Cunningham at <a href="http://thevirtualabbey.blogspot.com/">The Virtual Abbey</a>.</p>
<p><em>Originally posted February 1, 2010.</em></p>
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		<title>Women and Fiction: Writing the World Right</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(I am working my way through Sandi Amorim&#8217;s Spotlight Questions. When she asked what was effortless and life giving for me, I answered: &#8220;Definitely reading. I love to sit down and get lost in a book. I love to learn new things. I&#8217;m always reading seven or eight books at the same time. I just <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/29/women-and-fiction-writing-the-world-right/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/29/women-and-fiction-writing-the-world-right/">Women and Fiction: Writing the World Right</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>(I am working my way through <a href="http://www.devacoaching.com/">Sandi Amorim&#8217;s</a> Spotlight Questions. When she asked what was effortless and life giving for me, I answered: &#8220;Definitely reading. I love to sit down and get lost in a book. I love to learn new things. I&#8217;m always reading seven or eight books at the same time. I just love books. That leads into my love for writing and wanting to give the same blessings to my readers, my favorite authors have given to me.&#8221; It reminded me of this article I wrote for <a href="http://www.cbeinternational.org/">Christians for Biblical Equality&#8217;s <em>E-Quality Newsletter</em></a>.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always lived in other worlds. As soon as I learned to read, I began devouring books. If I could understand most of the words, I read it. I was always asking Mom what this word and that word meant, and as a result, Mom soon taught me how to use a dictionary. I was in glasses by the time I was ten. There is no proof, but I think because I read so much, my eyes didn&#8217;t think there was anything beyond the length of my arm (or the tip of my nose for that matter). By the time I finished sixth grade, I had read the <em>Little House on the Prairie</em> books, <em>A Wrinkle in Time</em> trilogy (back then it was a trilogy), <em>The Chronicles of Narnia</em>, every Judy Blume book, and too many Nancy Drew books to count. In fact, I would sit down after breakfast on Saturdays with a Nancy Drew mystery and have it finished by supper. Of course, writing stories did not lag far behind learning how to read them.</p>
<h2>Role Models</h2>
<p>The first time I saw the power and potential of a girl, and later a woman, was in Madeline L&#8217;Engle&#8217;s <em>A Wrinkle in Time</em><em></em> books. Meg was strong and held her own ground. She did not have special powers and she was not a super-hero, but she did what was right. Her love for her family always compelled her to do the right thing, no matter what it cost her personally. Meg showed me that regardless of your age, you could change the world for the better.</p>
<p>I lived in books filled with girls and women with whom I could relate. I grew up with a complementarian model of who a woman was supposed to be, but I never fit in that mold. I was neither quiet nor submissive, and I was not very proper. I was competitive, opinionated, aggressive, and willing to defend my beliefs. In books I found woman like me, women I wanted to be like.</p>
<p>I will never forget meeting Eowyn in <em>The Two Towers</em> and journeying with her through <em>Return of the King</em>. She was the first woman I met who was also a warrior. She defied the customs of her time, went into battle, and fought for what she believed in. She was the one who destroyed the King of the Nazguls. In Eowyn, I found a sister.</p>
<h2>Seeing Humanity in Others</h2>
<p>But fiction has done more than just show me what women can do. The genres of science fiction and fantasy also help me to understand what it means to be human. There is a great potential for truth-telling in these genres. I think that is because the worlds in science fiction and fantasy are not “our” world. Because it&#8217;s not “us,” “our” culture, “our” world, we can say things that are not readily received in other forums. Over the years, these genres have confronted the prejudices of our world, battling discrimination based on sex, religion, and ethnicity, and going even further to ask, “What does it mean to be human?”</p>
<p>In <em>Children of God</em>, <a href="http://www.marydoriarussell.net/">Mary Doria Russell</a> weaves the stories of human and alien through religion. On the world of Rakhat, there are two species: the Jana&#8217;ata and the Runa. The Jana&#8217;ata will eat the Runa for survival and to maintain the population. Two of the human characters in the book are a Jewish woman, Sofia Mendes, and her autistic son, Isaac. Joining them is Ha&#8217;anala, a member of the Jana&#8217;ata. Sofia teaches them the Jewish faith. The biblical views begin to change the way Ha&#8217;anala looks at her world, and the way she sees the Runa. She realizes all of them are created by Godde. When she is older, she forms a group where the Runa are treated as equals, which becomes a catalyst for starting change in her world. Meanwhile, Isaac has limited speech and dislikes noise. He wants silence and clarity. He works continually on a hand-held computer, looking for what he calls clarity. At the end of the book we find out what he was working on: a symphony. <a href="http://www.johnclute.co.uk/">John Clute</a> noted that Isaac “understands the world solely through song, memorizes the genetic codes of the three races into three intercalating tone-rows, and harmonizes them” (<em>Excessive Candour</em>, issue 63, which is no longer online thanks to SyFy&#8217;s name change). He calls his composition “The Children of God.” The humans, the Runa, and the Jana&#8217;ata are all Godde&#8217;s children. The book ends with a question: Where will these three races—all children of Godde—go from here? <em>Children of God</em> makes us think: what does it mean to be made in the image of Godde? To be Godde&#8217;s children? Do we really consider those who are “other” (different races, cultures, religions, or ethnicities) as Godde&#8217;s children? Would we use and exploit other people if we saw them as children of Godde, or would we radically change the way live as Jana&#8217;ata did?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.neilgaiman.com/">Neil Gaiman</a> creates London Below in <em>Neverwhere: A Novel</em>. A whole world lives beneath the streets of London in old tunnels long forgotten. London Below is populated by those who considered misfits by the inhabitants of London Above. The residents of London Below are seen as homeless, dirty, and destitute. The people of London Above do not even see them; they look right past them. The dwellers of London Below have to talk to them to be seen, but once the conversation is over, the London Abovers forget all about it. Those who reside in London Below are unseen and forgotten people. This challenges the reader to examine how we see people. How do we view those who are considered “misfits”? Do we look past them? Do we see them at all?</p>
<p>Both of these books remind me of the core church doctrine that every single human being on the face of this planet is made in Godde&#8217;s image. What do we do with this doctrine, once it is truly realized? Are we able to handle the responsibility this places upon us? What about those we take advantage of, simply because we can? Are there certain people who are invisible to us, who we look through on the street? Fiction has challenged me, throughout my life, to encounter these hard questions, and ask what it means to be human. Godde not only created every human being, but Godde created them in Godde&#8217;s own image. I must constantly remind myself to remember this, to live out what I believe.</p>
<h2>Male and Female in the Image of Godde</h2>
<p>Lately these questions about humanity have morphed into an examination of what it means to be made in the image of Godde as males and females. What does it mean to be a woman created in the image of Godde? What does this look like in our everyday lives?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I&#8217;ve found the answer in fiction. But I do know one image from a book that points me in the right direction: Eowyn and Merry in <em>The Return of the King</em>. They ride into battle together, fight together, and defend each other until they are both down. Eowyn does kill the King of the Nazgul, but she could never have done it without the help of Merry. When I think of men and women, made in the image of Godde, this is what I see. Brothers and sisters standing side by side, fighting the evil in our world that would belittle or ignore any person made in Godde&#8217;s image, and building Godde&#8217;s kingdom together.</p>
<p>This article was originally published in <a href="http://cbeinternational.org">Christians for Biblical Equality&#8217;s</a> <a href="http://www2.cbeinternational.org/new/E-Journal/2008/E-Quality_7.4_Women_and_Writing.pdf"><em>E-Quality Newsletter</em></a>, Winter 2008.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three years ago on this site I wrote a post, which has become one of the most popular posts on this blog on Phoebe. Phoebe was a wealthy woman who was the pastor of a church in Cenecherae in Greece, and she was also a patron of the church. She gave money for mission work <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/21/three-years-ago-on-shawnaatteberry-com-phoebe/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/21/three-years-ago-on-shawnaatteberry-com-phoebe/">Three Years Ago on ShawnaAtteberry.com: Phoebe</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>Three years ago on this site I wrote a post, which has become one of the most popular posts on this blog on Phoebe. Phoebe was a wealthy woman who was the pastor of a church in Cenecherae in Greece, and she was also a patron of the church. She gave money for mission work like Paul&#8217;s as well as helped her own and other churches with their expenses and problems they may be having with the Roman government. Paul entrusted her with the letter to the Romans and trusted her to make his case for their financial support of his mission to Spain.</p>
<h1 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #993366;">Phoebe: Pastor &amp; Patron</span></h1>
<blockquote><p>I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church at Cenchreae, so that you may welcome her in the Lord as is fitting for the saints, and help her in whatever she may require from you, for she has been a benefactor of many and of myself as well (Rom. 16:1-2)</p></blockquote>
<p>Paul trusted Phoebe enough to entrust his letter to the Romans to her. She is a woman Paul highly commended and respected. She is a “sister,” “deacon,” and “benefactor” to the church at Cenchreae as well as a sister and benefactor to Paul.</p>
<p>Paul uses the word, <em>diakonos</em> to describe Phoebe. The odd thing about Paul using this word to describe Phoebe is that it is the masculine form used to describe a woman. The feminine form is <em>diakona</em>. Most versions translate <em>diakonos</em> as “servant” here, but when it used to describe men, it is translated as “deacon.” It is also paired with “of the church of Cenchreae” This is the only place in the New Testament where <em>diakonos</em> is followed by a specific congregation in a genitive construct: she was the deacon of the church in Cenchreae. This is the only place linking a specific person’s ministry with a specific church. This seems to indicate that Phoebe served as a deacon or pastor in the church at Cenchreae.</p>
<p>Paul uses another word to describe Phoebe: <em>prostatis</em>. This is the only occurrence of the word in the New Testament. It is also another word that is translated so that its main meaning is not obvious in the translation. The normal translation is “helper” or someone who has helped. In secular Greek sources, the basic and most obvious translation of the word is patron or benefactor, and women in this role, are well attested in the Roman world. Women who were benefactors in the Roman world supported the arts and temples, as well as philosophers and debaters. Phoebe was a wealthy woman who served the church out of her means as the women in Luke 8 served Jesus out of theirs.</p>
<p>Aida Besançon Spencer has also suggested that <em>prostatis</em> could be derived from the verb <em>proistemi</em>, which means to “to stand, place before or over,” or “to help by ruling” (<em>Before the Curse</em>, 115). The times the verb appears in the New Testament it has the meaning of ruling or governing (Rom. 12:8; 1 Thes. 5:12-13). In the Pastoral Epistles this word is used to describe bishops and deacons governing their households well. In other Greek sources, such as Josephus, the masculine form of the verb is used to describe rulers and leaders like Moses, Herod, and Agrippa (ibid). This word could mean that Phoebe was a ruler or another overseer in the church.</p>
<p>Phoebe was an independent woman who had her own means, and served the church in a leadership role. Paul comes very close to commanding churches he had no hand in planting, and Christians, most of whom had never met him, to welcome her and provide anything she needed because she was both a deacon and a benefactor/ruler in the church. She was not only the benefactor and leader in the church at Cencherae, but Paul himself had also benefited from her generous rule.</p>
<p>To find out more about the leadership roles women had in the Bible buy <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>What You Didn&#8217;t Learn in Sunday School: Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>.</p>
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		<title>Divine Feminine Version: Galatians is now available</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul&#8217;s letter to the Galatians is now available to read in The New Testament: Divine Feminine Version. Please let me know what you think. Now I must get ready and be off to the Episcopal Diocese of Chicago&#8217;s Diocesan Convention (For you Nazarenes that&#8217;s District Convention). I had a great time yesterday and plan repeating <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/19/divine-feminine-version-galatians-is-now-available/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/19/divine-feminine-version-galatians-is-now-available/">Divine Feminine Version: Galatians is now available</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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<p>Now I must get ready and be off to the <a href="http://www.episcopalchicago.org/">Episcopal Diocese of Chicago&#8217;s Diocesan Convention</a> (For you Nazarenes that&#8217;s District Convention). I had a great time yesterday and plan repeating it today.</p>
<p>I hope everyone has a wonderful weekend!</p>
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		<title>Sermon: Everyone Has a Story, Judges 4</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This weeks Old Testament reading (Proper 28A/Ordinary 33A/Pentecost +22) is Judges 4:1-7. Unfortunately, the reading stops before the story really gets going and gets good. You really should read the entire chapter, verses 1-24. I wrote this sermon eight or nine years ago, and it is still one of my favorites. Probably because it has <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/09/a-sermon-on-an-unlikely-couple/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/11/09/a-sermon-on-an-unlikely-couple/">Sermon: Everyone Has a Story, Judges 4</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p style="text-align: left;" align="center">This weeks <a href="http://www.textweek.com/yeara/propera28.htm">Old Testament reading (Proper 28A/Ordinary 33A/Pentecost +22) is Judges 4:1-7</a>. Unfortunately, the reading stops before the story really gets going and gets good. You really should read the <a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=187865195">entire chapter, verses 1-24</a>. I wrote this sermon eight or nine years ago, and it is still one of my favorites. Probably because it has some of my favorite people in the Bible.</p>
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<h1 align="center"><span style="color: #993366;">Everyone Has a Story</span><em><strong></strong></em></h1>
<p align="center"><a href="http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=23810821">Judges 4-5</a></p>
<p><img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v431/shawnari/deborahdore.gif" alt="" width="328" height="414" align="right" />One of my absolutely favorite news segments was &#8220;Everybody Has a Story.&#8221; Journalist Steve Hartman had this absolutely cockamamie idea that a person didn&#8217;t need to be rich, or famous, or even a celebrity to have a story. He believed that ordinary people, living ordinary lives, in ordinary places had stories that the rest of us would want to hear and might even help us live our own little, ordinary lives. Even Steve admitted he wasn&#8217;t sure his idea would work. But for years Steve Hartman proved that everybody has a story. One of things I loved about this news segment is that Steve found some of the most unlikely people, in the most unlikely places, who have lived through and done some of the most unlikely things.</p>
<p>His stories reminded me a lot of the stories I read in the Bible. Ordinary people, doing ordinary things, living ordinary lives. But instead of a pesky reporter dropping in, a pesky God decides to show up and change those ordinary lives forever. That&#8217;s what happened in Judges 4.</p>
<h1><span style="color: #993366;">An Unlikely Couple</span></h1>
<p>The first three verses of this chapter are typical for the book of Judges. In the book of Judges Israel is caught in a very destructive cycle. They decide to worship the gods around them instead of Yahweh&#8211;the God who brought them out of Egypt. God then gives them over to an enemy who oppresses them for a while&#8211;in this case 20 years. Then the people come to their senses and cry out to God who then raises a judge to deliver them from their oppressors. There is much rejoicing and the people obey God during the life of that judge and then the cycle starts all over again. This is called a downward spiral because not only does the same cycle keep happening, but each time it gets worse.</p>
<p>When we come to verse 4 we read: &#8220;At that time Deborah, a prophetess, wife of Lappidoth, was judging Israel.&#8221; Now we come to the first twist in this story&#8211;the judge is not a man&#8211;it&#8217;s a woman. We have an unlikely judge&#8211;she&#8217;s a wife and probably a mother. And why is she the judge and not her husband? Because God called her and not him. Yes, it&#8217;s as simple as that. And what about Lappidoth? I always wonder about this man. He&#8217;s only mentioned once in the Bible, but he intrigues me. Since Deborah is judging Israel at the palm of Deborah and fulfilling her calling as a prophet, I&#8217;m assuming he&#8217;s okay with the arrangement. And yes, in our day and age, we go, &#8220;Well duh, yes, she can work if she wants to.&#8221; Back then, in that day and age, Deborah should have been home being a wife and mother&#8211;cooking, cleaning, taking care of the kids. The place she should not have been was out in public, resolving disputes among the people. That was man&#8217;s work. That should have been what Lappidoth was doing. But this unlikely couple obeyed God&#8217;s rather strange calling on their lives&#8211;God called Deborah to be a prophet and judge, and both she and Lappidoth obeyed God&#8217;s calling.</p>
<p>So, not only Deborah, but Deborah and Lappidoth are the first unlikely people we meet in this story. Now we will meet our next unlikely person.</p>
<h1><span style="color: #993366;">An Unlikely General</span></h1>
<p>Barak enters our story next. H&#8217;s a general, commander of the army of Israel. Deborah tells him that God has spoken and wants Barak to take an army and move against Israel&#8217;s oppressor: Sisera. Up to this point the men God called to judge Israel&#8217;s enemies have been gung-ho about going and wreaking a little havoc. God told them to go and destroy Israel&#8217;s enemies, and they went and destroyed Israel&#8217;s enemies in some very creative ways with no cajoling or prodding. So when Deborah calls Barak and tells him God&#8217;s ready to move against Sisera, we expect Barak to yell, &#8220;Yippee, it&#8217;s about time!&#8221; and go. But that&#8217;s not what he does. Barak puts a condition on his obedience: Deborah must go with him. The general wants a woman to accompany him in battle. And this woman, this married women who probably had children, says, yes. If that&#8217;s what it takes to do God&#8217;s will then she will go, so that the enemy can be defeated.</p>
<p>But Barak&#8217;s condition costs him: he will not be the one to kill Sisera. In another irony of this story, a woman will kill Sisera. Of course, at this point, we think the woman will be Deborah.</p>
<p>Again Lappidoth impresses me. No, he&#8217;s not mentioned in these verses. But his wife is going into war with Barak, and he doesn&#8217;t forbid her. In all likelihood, he is probably one of the 10,000 who go into battle. Again this unlikely couple obey God, at what could be great cost to them.</p>
<p>Although Barak wanted assurance of God&#8217;s presence, and it did cost him the full glory of the battle, I don&#8217;t think we should be too hard on him. Remember Deborah was a prophet&#8211;she was God&#8217;s representative on earth, speaking the words God gave her. I think if I was Barak, I might want her to come along too; I might want that assurance of God&#8217;s presence that Deborah, not only gave to Barak, but gave to the soldiers as well.</p>
<p>So we have an unlikely couple and an unlikely general that God is using to accomplish her plans. Now we are coming to the most unlikely person in the whole story.</p>
<h1><span style="color: #993366;">An Unlikely Ally</span></h1>
<p>Word reaches Sisera that Barak and his troops are on the move, and Sisera rallies his army to meet them, thinking that he has pretty much won this battle. But God had other plans. Deborah gives the command for the troops to march and Barak leads the way. As they are moving toward each other, God throws Sisera&#8217;s army into a panic. I like the account of the battle given in Judges 5:20-21: &#8220;The stars fought from heaven, from their courses they fought against Sisera. The torrent Kishon swept them away, the onrushing torrent, the torrent Kishon. March on, my soul, with might!&#8221; God once again fought for her people and delivered them from their enemies. In the middle of the fight Sisera sees that things are not going his way, and I&#8217;m thinking that what he does isn&#8217;t something generals of armies should do: he runs. And this chicken is about to run into a fox.</p>
<p>Back in verse Judges 4:11 we have a verse that appears out of nowhere about a man living in the area. It seems like an odd verse to insert between Deborah&#8217;s command to Barak and the preparations to march to war. In this verse we learn about Heber, a man descended from Moses&#8217; father-in-law, who lives in the area. Now in verse 17 we find out why that piece of information appeared out of nowhere. Sisera runs to the place where Heber and his wife, Jael, are staying. At this point in the story it appears that Sisera is home free. There was peace between Heber and King Jabin&#8211;Sisera&#8217;s boss. For all appearances he should be safe. And Jael plays the perfect hostess&#8230;for a while. She invites him in, gives him milk to drink when he asked for water. Then she tucked him in with a rug for a nice nap. But instead of standing guard at the tent as Sisera ordered her, Jael has other plans. Deborah will not be the woman who defeats Sisera&#8211;Jael is. And she is a more unlikely person for the job than Deborah. Jael is not only a woman. She is a Gentile woman. She is not from one of the tribes of Israel. God will use this Gentile woman to deliver Israel from their oppressor. Instead of standing guard and deflecting Israel&#8217;s soldiers when they come looking for Sisera, Jael sneaks to where he&#8217;s sleeping and kills him. Jael is waiting at the entrance to the tent when Barak comes, and she leads him inside the tent, and shows him his enemy, dead. All that Deborah had spoken happened. Israel defeated the army of Sisera, and Sisera had been killed by a woman. After the victory song of chapter 5, we read that Israel had rest for 40 years.</p>
<p>Using a very unlikely combination of people: a wife and mother, a hesitant general, and a Gentile woman, God delivered Israel from their enemies. When God came these people were living their normal, everyday lives. They didn&#8217;t think anything was going to change, and they sure didn&#8217;t think God would use them to make those changes. But God did.</p>
<h1><span style="color: #993366;">An Unlikely People</span></h1>
<p>And I&#8217;m not sure which should surprise us more: that God uses ordinary people to do His will, or that God gets mixed up with us unpredictable, insecure, hesitant humans at all. Even with Barak&#8217;s hesitation and insistence on Deborah coming to battle with him, God still gets mixed up in the lives of these ordinary people, with foibles and quirks, and uses them to accomplish her plans for her people.</p>
<p>I bet Steve Hartman would give his eyeteeth to be able to tell this story on the evening news. You see what Steve doesn&#8217;t know is that there is a reason why everyone has a story. It&#8217;s because God made everyone. We all have stories because we are made in God&#8217;s image. But it gets better than that. God comes to us and wants be a part of our stories. The God who is Creator and Ruler of all wants to take part in our ordinary, mundane, messy lives. Then she wants to use our lives and our stories to build her kingdom and accomplish her plans, not only for the Church, but for the world. But don&#8217;t freak out&#8211;God doesn&#8217;t send us out alone, just like Barak didn&#8217;t go out alone. God goes with us, so that everyone we encounter can be a part of her story&#8211;just like we are.</p>
<p>So as you live your ordinary life this week, remember all those ordinary people you see have stories. And God wants to be a part of those stories.</p>
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		<title>Why I Keep Harping on Biblical Women, Equality, &amp; Women Working</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s a reason why I keep harping on the subjects I do. There&#8217;s a reason I&#8217;m writing a book called Career Women of the Bible. And there&#8217;s a reason I wrote the E-book, Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &#38; Sit Down. There is a reason why I keep blogging about women in the Bible who <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/10/05/why-i-keep-harping-on-biblical-women-equality-women-working/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/10/05/why-i-keep-harping-on-biblical-women-equality-women-working/">Why I Keep Harping on Biblical Women, Equality, &#038; Women Working</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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<p>There&#8217;s a reason why I keep harping on the subjects I do. There&#8217;s a reason I&#8217;m writing a book called <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/career-women-of-the-bible-series/"><em>Career Women of the Bible</em></a>. And there&#8217;s a reason I wrote the E-book, <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/store/"><em>Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>. There is a reason why I keep blogging about women in the Bible who were:</p>
<ul>
<li>Religious leaders</li>
<li>Secular leaders</li>
<li>Business women</li>
<li>Merchants</li>
<li>Entrepenuers</li>
</ul>
<p>It&#8217;s because I keep reading things like this:</p>
<blockquote><p>I believed the “Beautiful Girlhood” spiel. I did it everything the “right way”. I stayed at home, I submitted to my father, I skipped college, I prepared to be my husband’s helpmeet, and I regret it. I had years of my life go by where I was little more than an indentured servant to my parents. My husband and I were forced into thousands of dollars of debt working for an abusive employer that we could have thumbed our nose at if I had been able to get a job. While I was without the commitments of marriage and children, I could have easily gained an education that could have served me and my husband well in early marriage. All those years living as a quiet submissive housekeeper, I could have been discovering interests, and developing as a person.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">–<a href="http://rethinkingvisionforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/vision-forum-daughters-college-regret/#more-789">Why I Wish I Had Gone to College by Young Mom</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s because I keep reading about lies like this on the <a href="http://arewomenhuman.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/damage-control-at-covenant-life-church-pt-1/">Are Women Really Human? blog</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">YOUNG LADIES MUST PREPARE TO BE HOMEMAKERS…Prepare to Marry Young If God’s Will; Don’t accept cultural norms and practices…Don’t Assume College or Career:</p>
<ol>
<li>Be aware of serving the cultural idol of education and career.</li>
<li>Be willing to lay aside the pursuit of higher education if marriage comes early.</li>
<li>Be willing to lay aside a career when married.</li>
<li>Think of a non-paying (but very rewarding and important) “career” in the home related to your husband and children.</li>
<li>If unmarried, consider a “feminine” vocation or job that will benefit family later.</li>
</ol>
<p>Detwiler further divides reasons married women work outside the home into “necessary” reasons and “wordly” reasons. The only “necessary” reasons are a husband’s unemployment or disability, or to save up money or pay off debts. The clear implication is that any woman who works outside of the home when her husband is also employed is sinning if her work is not indispensable to family finances. Meanwhile, worldly reasons for a woman to work outside of the home include:</p>
<p style="padding-left: 30px;">6) Identity and fulfillment primarily in work outside the home. Not content with <strong>obscurity</strong> of being a wife, mother and homemaker… [my emphasis] 8 ) Husband and wife may think she can work outside home with little or no harm to the marriage and family. 9) Realization by a woman that it may be easier to work outside the home than in the home as a wife, mother and homemaker.</p>
<p>There’s an obvious disdain here for women and especially mothers who have outside employment. Detwiler clearly implies that such women are lazy, self-absorbed, and unwise parents. He clearly associates a woman working outside the home with “harm” to her marriage and family. He states that there is “lack of biblical support” for women to work full-time outside of the home.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s because The Council for the so-called &#8220;Biblical&#8221; Manhood and Womanhood just released a curriculum for kids and teens with this warped view of the creation stories in Genesis:</p>
<blockquote><p>While God created men to be generally oriented toward work, God created women to be generally oriented towards relationships of helpfulness and companionship.</p>
<p>This is God’s good design.</p>
<p>A design for male headship — leading, protecting, and providing for the woman.</p>
<p>A design for female submission — submitting to and helping the man; a companion-helper ‘fit for him.’</p>
<p>Some will be doubtful … even upset by this teaching of God’s good design for men and women.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes I am upset about this. But not because it’s Godde’s good design. I’m upset because it’s one big, fat lie. If you want to see a drastically different way to interpret these same verses read this: <a href="../2010/04/21/does-it-really-mean-helpmate/">Does It Really Mean Helpmate?</a></p>
<p>So yes, I keep harping on Women, the Bible, and Equality.</p>
<h1>Women&#8217;s &amp; Men&#8217;s Work</h1>
<p>Of course what these people fail to tell you is that not only is there a &#8220;lack of biblical support&#8221; for women outside of the home, there is also a lack of support for men working outside of the home in the Bible. That&#8217;s because EVERYONE worked at home during biblical times. In ancient agrarian societies the home was a self-sufficient farm where everyone worked to make sure the family had shelter, clothing, and food. Few people left the home to &#8220;go to work.&#8221; The same was true for merchants at that time. If you lived in a town or city and sold merchandise, you lived above or next to your business, and the whole family worked in that business. The only people who worked away from home were traders and soldiers. That&#8217;s it. Everyone else worked at home.</p>
<p>The biblical model of family was not destroyed when women started working outside of the home. The biblical model of family was broken when men started working outside of the home at the beginning of the Industrial Age.</p>
<p>Not only did women work to financially support their families: women&#8217;s work drove ancient economy. Women&#8217;s work&#8211;spinning and weaving&#8211;making textiles to trade fueled the ancient economy, so different tribes could trade for precious metals and exotic foods. In <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Womens-Work-First-Years-Society/dp/0393313484/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1306874023&amp;sr=8-1"><em>Women&#8217;s Work: The First 20,000 Years</em></a>, Elizabeth Wayland Barber shows the monetary value of women&#8217;s work for their families. She also shows the power and autonomy women had as textile makers and traders in the Middle East. Women have always worked to financially provide for their families. They&#8217;ve also made, bought and traded. It&#8217;s nothing new. What is new is this ridiculous modern idea that man goes to work, leaving his family behind for the better part of the day, then comes back home with money. That&#8217;s new. Not women working. (<a href="http://powerscourt.blogspot.com/2011/08/womens-orientation-to-work-part-1.html">For an excellent overview of the work women did do in the Bible to support their families and bring in money see Sunzanne McCarthy&#8217;s &#8220;Women&#8217;s Orientation to Work&#8221; blog series, starting here.</a>)</p>
<p>This is a totally foreign concept to most people although it describes well over 90% of our history. (History did not begin with the Industrial Age, the Victorian Era, or 1950s suburbia.)</p>
<h1>What the Bible Really Says</h1>
<p><span id="wylio-flickr-image-315600230" style="display: block; line-height: 15px; width: 382px; padding: 0; margin: 0 10px; position: relative; float: left;"><img style="padding: 0; margin: 0; border: none;" title="Three Wise Women - photo by: Dale Gillard, Source: Flickr, found with Wylio.com" src="http://img.wylio.com/flickr/129034/382/315600230" alt="Three Wise Women" width="382" height="349" /><span id="wylio-flickr-credits-315600230" class="wylio-credits" style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; padding: 0; margin: 0; width: 100%; color: #aaaaaa; background: #ffffff; float: left; clear: both; font-size: 11px; font-style: italic;"><span class="photoby" style="padding: 2px; margin: 0;"><span style="display: block; float: left; margin: 0;">photo © 2006 <a style="padding: 0; margin: 0; color: #aaaaaa; text-decoration: underline;" title="click to visit the Flickr profile page for Dale Gillard" href="http://www.flickr.com/people/dalegillard/" target="_blank">Dale Gillard</a> | <a style="padding: 0; margin: 0; color: #aaaaaa; text-decoration: underline;" title="get more information about the photo 'Three Wise Women'" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/65032901@N00/315600230" target="_blank">more info </a></span><span style="display: block; float: right; margin-left: 5px;"><strong style="margin: 0;">(via: <a style="padding: 0; margin: 0; color: #aaaaaa; text-decoration: underline;" title="free pictures" href="http://www.wylio.com" target="_blank">Wylio</a>)</strong></span></span></span></span>Women working in the Bible, bringing home the bacon, and being leaders is also a foreign concept to most people. Again and again I heard from readers who were amazed at what women did in the Bible after reading <em>Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em>. They were amazed to find women judges, military leaders, and women who wouldn&#8217;t take no for an answer from Moses, Jesus, or Godde. They were amazed to find a woman negotiating with a general on behalf of her city, and most of them were flabbergasted that Tamar was praised for disguising herself as a prostitute to insure she would have children for her husband&#8217;s family through her father-in-law.</p>
<p>They were amazed to find out that the quiet and submissive woman the women in the Bible were supposed to be is nothing but a caricature. It&#8217;s what men who have interpreted the Bible for centuries want women to be. It&#8217;s not what Godde created women to be.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s why I keep doing what I do.</p>
<h2 style="text-align: center;">The time for lies is over.</h2>
<h2 style="text-align: center;">That&#8217;s not what the Bible says.</h2>
<h2 style="text-align: center;">It never has been. It never will be.</h2>
<h1>Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down Podcasts</h1>
<p>Want to hear about what four of my readers said about the women they met in the Bible in <em><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/">Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</a>? </em>Here is what we talked about in these four 30 minute podcasts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/26/paul-was-not-evil-misogynist-podcast-mark-mattison/">Mark Mattison and I talk about how passages in 1 Corinthians are interpreted to keep women silent in church and submissive to their husbands</a>. We talked about the many different ways these verses can be interpreted that make women equal with their husbands and equals in church, preaching and praying in their congregations. How many people know about these different interpretations? Not many.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/12/biblical-women-doing-what-needs-to-be-done-podcast-catherine-caine/">Catherine Caine and I talk about how the traditional Christian views affect people who aren&#8217;t Christians</a>. Catherine is a secular humanist in Australia, and she talks about how the traditional view of women can influence business as usual on an unconscious level. She also loved how earthy and action-oriented the women in the Bible were. She loved how they made decisions and did what needed to be done without any drama or hand-wringing.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/10/03/reasons-women-leave-church-podcast-excerpt-sandi-amorim/">Sandi Amorin talks about her experience growing up in the Catholic Church and how her questions about &#8220;Where are all the women in the Bible?&#8221; went unanswered</a>. Sandi was amazed that she had never heard about most of these women in church. Sadly that&#8217;s not unusual. Women in the Bible who go against the &#8220;traditional&#8221; view of women are ignored and marginalized. We don&#8217;t hear their stories because they were anything but submissive and quiet.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/19/women-bible-submission-abuse-podcast-excerpt-lainie-petersen/">Lainie Petersen and I talk about how the lie that Godde made women to be quiet and submissive leads to the abuses we see throughout the church today</a>: domestic abuse, sexual abuse, and the reality that churches are much more likely to blame female and children victims than to hold male abusers accountable for their actions. The consequences of this horrible theology are brutal, and no one in the church likes to talk about it, much less do anything about it.</p>
<h1><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/wwdsusd-cover.png"><img class="alignright size-medium wp-image-1643" title="wwdsusd cover" src="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/wwdsusd-cover-300x177.png" alt="" width="300" height="177" /></a>Stop listening to the lies</h1>
<h2>Most of all: don&#8217;t believe the lies anymore.</h2>
<ul>
<li>Women were made in the image of Godde.</li>
<li>Godde calls women to be both religious and secular leaders.</li>
<li>Godly women have always worked and financially supported their families.</li>
<li>In the Bible women not only worked&#8211;they had careers too.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>One of the Reasons Women Leave the Church: Podcast with Sandi Amorim</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[In August Adelle M. Banks reported on a study that showed church attendance among women is dropping along with women volunteers within church. I think my podcast with Sandi Amorim offers one of the reasons women are leaving the church: they are tired of hearing that women were created to help men and that women <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/10/03/reasons-women-leave-church-podcast-excerpt-sandi-amorim/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/10/03/reasons-women-leave-church-podcast-excerpt-sandi-amorim/">One of the Reasons Women Leave the Church: Podcast with Sandi Amorim</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<!-- sphereit start --><p>In August Adelle M. Banks reported on a study that showed <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/02/women-church-attendance_n_916604.html">church attendance among women is dropping</a> along with women volunteers within church. I think my podcast with Sandi Amorim offers one of the reasons women are leaving the church: they are tired of hearing that women were created to help men and that women cannot hold any authority or leadership position in the church. They don&#8217;t hear about the strong, independent women in the Bible, and they never hear about the many religious and secular female leaders who populate the Bible. <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2008/08/20/women-job-work-career-bible/">The church has told women for centuries it&#8217;s fine for us to do all the unpaid grunt work</a>, but don&#8217;t dare cast your eyes to the pulpit or church boards.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re tired of it.</p>
<h1><span style="color: #993366;">Sandi Amorim</span></h1>
<p>(Disclaimer: Sandi is my business coach, and she is totally awesome!)</p>
<p>Sandi Amorim is the mastermind behind <a href="http://www.devacoaching.com">Deva Coaching</a>: asking the right question at the right time. Here is how Sandi describes herself:</p>
<blockquote><p><strong><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/sandi.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1622" title="sandi" src="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/sandi.jpg" alt="" width="200" height="270" /></a>I’m an instigator willing to urge, provoke and incite you to SHINE.</strong></p>
<p>Some have said ruthlessly compassionate. I say I’ll do whatever it takes to have you shine.</p>
<p>Aries. Firstborn. Mediterranean by blood, leader by inclination. It’s a volatile mix but it seems to work.</p>
<p>I ask questions and listen to you in a way that lures you through the turbulent waters of life to a place where you can, once and for all, own who you really are.</p>
<p>That may mean loving you more than is comfortable or socially acceptable and kicking your ass when required.</p>
<p>This is my siren’s song to you. An appeal to step up and be who you were meant to be.</p></blockquote>
<p>Sandi is a former Catholic who left the church as a young adult because she couldn&#8217;t ask questions. A lot of those questions had to do with women and where were they in Bible? And why couldn&#8217;t she be an altar girl (in the days before the Catholic Church allowed girls to do that)? Sandi is now looking to renew her relationship with Godde, and she is very interested in a Godde who created women to be equals with men, and a Godde who calls those women to lead, protect, and teach their people. Like <a href="http://www.cashandjoy.com">Catherine Caine</a> she noticed, when it comes to women in the Bible, they act. They did what needs to be done, regardless of society&#8217;s perceptions. She liked the women she met in the E-book, and you can hear her thoughts on a couple of them in the following excerpt:</p>
<p><strong>Podcast: <a class="s3-link" href="http://goddegirl.s3.amazonaws.com/SandiAmorimFull.mp3">SandiAmorimFull.mp3</a> </strong></p>
<p>Like Sandi, do you think this is something that young girls need to hear about? Do they need to know these stories?</p>
<p>Find out what strong, intelligent and incredible women populate the pages of the Bible. Discover that women can be more than helpers and volunteers. They can be leaders too! Buy <a href="../store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>Women Who Didn’t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>.</p>
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		<title>The Divine Feminine Version: Philippians is now available!</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2011 15:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philippians is now available at The Christian Godde Project. We will be finalizing Colossians next month and will post it in October. Please let me know what you think of our work on the New Testament: Divine Feminine Version. Related Posts:The Divine Feminine Version: Colossians is now availableThe Divine Feminine Version: Mark is now available!Divine <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/28/the-divine-feminine-version-philippians-is-now-available/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/28/the-divine-feminine-version-philippians-is-now-available/">The Divine Feminine Version: Philippians is now available!</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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		<title>Paul Was Not an Evil Misogynist: Podcast with Mark Mattison</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 15:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[photo © 2007 Francois Bester &#124; more info (via: Wylio)Earl A lot of people blame Paul when part of the Christian Church claims that man is the head of the women and the head of the home , and, therefore, cannot hold leadership positions in the church. They say Paul said that: Men are the <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/26/paul-was-not-evil-misogynist-podcast-mark-mattison/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/26/paul-was-not-evil-misogynist-podcast-mark-mattison/">Paul Was Not an Evil Misogynist: Podcast with Mark Mattison</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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<p>A lot of people blame Paul when part of the Christian Church claims that man is the head of the women and the head of the home , and, therefore, cannot hold leadership positions in the church. They say Paul said that:</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Men are the head of women &amp; the head of the home.<br />
Paul told women to be quiet in church.<br />
Paul told women they couldn&#8217;t teach men.</p>
<p style="padding-left: 90px;">Too bad for them Paul didn&#8217;t say all these things. Paul&#8217;s words are <em><strong>interpreted</strong></em> to say these things, but that&#8217;s not what Paul actually said.</p>
<p>Earlier this year I posted on <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/05/12/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down-paul-was-not-an-evil-misogynist/">why the Apostle Paul was not the evil misogynist</a> he&#8217;s cracked up to be. I looked at the verses in 1 Corinthians 11 that are normally used to keep women subordinated to men, and out of leadership positions, and showed that the passage can be translated to empower women instead of marginalize them. My friend, Mark Mattison, <a href="http://godde.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/because-of-the-angels/">posted on the same subject at The Christian Godde Project</a> over the weekend. In this podcast on <em>Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em>, we talked about Paul&#8217;s correspondence with the Corinthian church and why a few verses cannot be taken out of either letter to be what Godde meant for all time. Here are the verses we&#8217;ll be talking about this podcast:</p>
<blockquote><p>Now I praise you, sisters and brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions, even as I delivered them to you.</p>
<p>&lt;You say:&gt; ”But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christa, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christa is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. But every woman praying or prophesying with her head unveiled dishonors her head. For it is one and the same thing as if she were shaved. For if a woman is not covered, let her also be shorn. But if it is shameful for a woman to be shorn or shaved, let her be covered. For a man indeed ought not to have his head covered, because he is the image and radiance of Godde, but the woman is the radiance of the man. For man is not from woman, but woman from man; for neither was man created for the woman, but woman for the man.”</p>
<p>But the woman ought to have liberty over her head because after all she will judge the angels. The point is, neither is the woman independent of the man, nor the man independent of the woman, in the Lord. For as woman came from man, so a man also comes through a woman; but all things are from Godde. Judge for yourselves. “Is it appropriate that a woman pray to Godde unveiled?” Doesn’t even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him, but if a woman has long hair, it is a glory to her? For her hair is given to her instead of a covering. But if any man seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither do Godde’s communities (1 Corinthians 11:2-6, DFV).</p></blockquote>
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<p>Mark is an independent scholar who was the founder and is still a contributor at <a href="http://www.thepaulpage.com/">The Paul Page</a>, which keeps up with all the scholarship coming out on the Apostle Paul (no small task). Mark is also one of the founding members of <a href="http://godde.wordpress.com">The Christian Godde Project</a> and the general editor of <a href="http://godde.wordpress.com/2010/12/30/introducting-the-good-news-according-to-matthew-version-0-1/"><em>The Divine Feminine Version</em> New Testament</a>. Mark and his family live on the wrong side of Lake Michigan in Michigan (key words: lake effect snow) where they get a whole lot more snow than we do on the right side of  Lake Michigan in Chicago.</p>
<p><strong>Podcast: <a class="s3-link" href="http://goddegirl.s3.amazonaws.com/MarkMatthison1Corinthians11.wav">MarkMatthison1Corinthians11.wav</a> </strong></p>
<p>Find out what Paul really said about women keeping silent and not teaching men when you buy <a href="../store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>Women Who Didn’t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>. (Hint: Paul wasn&#8217;t talking about all women for all time. He was talking to very specific troublemakers in very specific congregations.)</p>
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<p>The third full length podcast with <a href="http://www.devacoaching.com/">Sandi Amorin</a> will be posted next Monday (10/3)!</p>
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		<title>Women, the Bible, Submission &amp; Abuse: Podcast with Lainie Petersen</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2011 18:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Women Don&#8217;t Need No Education In May Lainie Petersen and I talked about the danger of women being limited to submissive &#8220;help mates&#8221; in this podcast for What You Didn&#8217;t Learn in Sunday School: Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &#38; Sit Down. One of the many alarming things coming out of the Christian Patriarchy Movement <a href='http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/19/women-bible-submission-abuse-podcast-excerpt-lainie-petersen/'>[...]</a><p><a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/19/women-bible-submission-abuse-podcast-excerpt-lainie-petersen/">Women, the Bible, Submission &#038; Abuse: Podcast with Lainie Petersen</a> is a post from: <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com">Shawna R. B. Atteberry</a></p>
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<h1><span style="color: #993366;">Women Don&#8217;t Need No Education</span></h1>
<p>In May Lainie Petersen and I talked about the danger of women being limited to submissive &#8220;help mates&#8221; in this podcast for <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>What You Didn&#8217;t Learn in Sunday School: Women Who Didn&#8217;t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>. One of the many alarming things coming out of the Christian Patriarchy Movement is the belief that women do not need an education as they will be stay-at-home mothers. They don&#8217;t need to go to college as they will never work outside of the home. Lainie and I discussed how this movement is discouraging women from pursuing degrees in religion and theology.</p>
<p>Last month Lainie pointed her Facebook friends to a blogpost that showed the movement discouraging their daughters from going to college and one woman&#8217;s regret that she did not pursue more education:</p>
<blockquote><p>I believed the “Beautiful Girlhood” spiel. I did it everything the “right way”. I stayed at home, I submitted to my father, I skipped college, I prepared to be my husband’s helpmeet, and I regret it. I had years of my life go by where I was little more than an indentured servant to my parents. My husband and I were forced into thousands of dollars of debt working for an abusive employer that we could have thumbed our nose at if I had been able to get a job. While I was without the commitments of marriage and children, I could have easily gained an education that could have served me and my husband well in early marriage. All those years living as a quiet submissive housekeeper, I could have been discovering interests, and developing as a person.</p>
<p style="text-align: right;">&#8211;<a href="http://rethinkingvisionforum.wordpress.com/2011/08/24/vision-forum-daughters-college-regret/#more-789">Why I Wish I Had Gone to College by Young Mom</a></p>
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<p>Earlier this year I published a little E-book called <a href="../store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>What You Didn’t Learn in Sunday School: Women Who Didn’t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>. I interviewed four amazing people about the E-book to see what they thought about it.</p>
<p>Originally I bundled these podcasts with the book, but I’ve decided to make them available on the blog, free of charge. Why? Because of things I keep seeing like this blog post.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><span style="color: #993366;">BECAUSE LIES LIKE THIS ARE ALIVE AND WELL IN OUR WORLD.</span></h3>
<p>This is the reason I wrote <a href="../store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>Women Who Didn’t Shut Up and Sit Down</em></a>–to show that Conservative and Fundamentalist Christianity is touting only one of the ways to interpret Scriptures. <a href="../2007/02/01/the-fall-and-christian-women/">There are other ways (many other ways) to interpret what the Bible has to say about men, women, and marriage</a>.</p>
<p>That’s why I’m releasing the podcasts, and that’s why you’re going to hear a whole lot about both the podcasts and the E-book in the next month or so. <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2011/09/12/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down-podcast-catherine-caine/">Because people are asking women politcians if they submit to their husbands. Because curriculum is coming out that teaches: &#8220;A design for male headship — leading, protecting, and providing for the woman. A design for female submission — submitting to and helping the man; a companion-helper ‘fit for him.’&#8221;</a> Because women are being told they don&#8217;t need an education and will never have to work outside of the home.</p>
<p>Godde made men and women as equals in all areas of life to stand by stand and show people what the image of Godde looks like: male and female working together to building Godde’s kingdom of love right here, right now.</p>
<p>Stop the lies. Learn the truth for yourselves. Then teach it to your children. Buy <a href="../store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>Women Who Didn’t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down Now</em></a>. (Then you can listen to the brilliant podcast of Lainie Petersen.)</p>
<h1><a href="https://www.e-junkie.com/ecom/gb.php?i=946754&amp;c=single&amp;cl=169652" target="ejejcsingle"><img class="aligncenter" src="http://www.e-junkie.com/ej/x-click-butcc.gif" alt="Buy Now" border="0" /></a><span style="color: #993366;">Lainie Petersen</span></h1>
<p>Lainie Petersen is a very dear friend of mine. It&#8217;s not an exaggeration to say I would not have made it through my <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2009/03/24/a-year-of-loss-and-new-beginnings/">year of loss and new beginnings</a> without her. Lainie is an ordained priest and bishop in the Independent Catholic Church. She holds an Masters of Divinity and a degree in Christian History from <a href="http://www.garrett.edu/">Garrett Evangelical Theological Seminary</a> and a degree in library science from <a href="http://www.dom.edu/">Dominican University</a>. A few years ago Lainie decided she wanted to learn about tea and wound up discovering a new profession for herself: blogging about her tea drinking adventures at <a href="http://www.lainiesips.com">LainieSips.com</a> where she is known as the Bishop and the Tea Lady.</p>
<p>In this podcast excerpt Lainie and I talk about why it is so important to bring the women of the Bible out of the shadows and show the range of roles these women acted in. Limiting women to the roles of submissive wife and mother and telling them to shut up and sit down leads to abuse&#8211;spiritual, physical, and sexual&#8211;along with slowly pushing women out of college and seminary Bible and theology classes. Lainie talks of recent incidents in which patriarchal male leaders have been let off on sexual abuse as well as the fundamentalist drive to remove women from academia.</p>
<p><strong>Podcast: <a class="s3-link" href="http://goddegirl.s3.amazonaws.com/LainiePetersenFull.mp3">LainiePetersenFull.mp3</a> </strong></p>
<p>Here is a link to the book Lainie recommended: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Ordaining-Women-Conflict-Religious-Organizations/dp/0674641469/ref=sr_1_3?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1306705737&amp;sr=1-3">Ordaining Women: Culture and Conflict in Religious Organizations by Mark Chaves</a>.</p>
<p>I was extremely glad that Lainie and I talked about these issues after reading <a href="http://arewomenhuman.wordpress.com/2011/05/26/damage-control-at-covenant-life-church-pt-1/" target="_blank">this post from Grace at Are Women Human?</a> Later that day another friend directed me to the <a href="http://www.sbts.edu/women/seminary-wives-institute/" target="_blank">Women&#8217;s Bible Programs at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary</a>. These issues are alive and well in evangelical and fundamentalist cultures in the U.S. <a href="http://www.shawnaatteberry.com/2007/08/21/career-women-of-the-bible-introduction/" target="_blank">I have written about the programs for seminary wives at places such as SBTS as well as introduced my readers to ordained female pastors and evangelists of the early 20th century in the Church of the Nazarene in this post</a>.</p>
<p>Did you know there where evangelical, holiness, and pentecostal churches that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoinette_Brown_Blackwell" target="_blank">ordained women as early as 1851</a> and continued ordaining women into the early 20th century? What do you think of the fundamentalist move to keep women out of college and seminary level Bible and theology classes?</p>
<p>Find out what strong, intelligent, and incredible women populate the pages of the Bible. See what Godde had in mind when she created women in her image. Buy <a href="../store/women-who-didnt-shut-up-sit-down/"><em>Women Who Didn’t Shut Up &amp; Sit Down</em></a>.</p>
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<p>The third full length podcast with Mark Mattison will be posted next Monday (9/26)!</p>
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